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d4nd3l10n
17th November 2009, 19:06
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These very interesting photographs depicting Chinese Qin Na, or “joint locks,” were hunted down by one of our Art of War staff members. The joint locks shown on these grainy, black and white photos taken at the turn of the century (1900) in Southern China, show a striking resemblance to submission holds commonly used in what most of the western MMA world refer to as Brazilian Jiu Jitsu. This raises the age old question of where did the grappling martial arts originate?

A Brief History of Modern Chinese Martial Arts:

After all the bloodshed of World War 2 (1945) and then China’s Civil War (1950’s), it was the sentiment of China’s newly formed Communist Government that “brother should not fight brother” and subsequently the practice of all “full contact” martial arts were banned. It was during this time that, “forms” or Tao Lu, were invented. Tao Lu, which are the dance-like, choreographed moves that many people associate with Chinese Kung Fu, are nothing more than stamina and coordination exercises that gave the Chinese people an opportunity to practice something they craved, martial arts, without having to break the government ban on full contact martial arts. During the time period between the 1960’s and 1970’s martial arts as a whole lost favor with the government and as such, martial arts instructors and practitioners either left the country or ceased to practice their art. Some continued to practice in secrecy, but there was very little public promotion or acknowledgement. As a result, full contact Chinese martial arts suffered heavily as a result of the exodus of skilled instructors and practitioners.

It wasn’t until the mid 1980’s did the government begin to change its stance towards full contact martial arts. During the 1980’s it was deemed that the practice of full contact martial arts was indeed good and Chinese Sanda was born. Sanda resembles what the western world refers to as kick boxing. It incorporates the common forms of striking, punches and kicks, with throws, but adds an element unique to traditional Chinese martial arts, the jie tui or “leg catch.” The jie tui technique is utilized when an opponent throws a kick at you, and you simultaneously catch your opponents leg and sweep him to the ground at the same time. It is a very explosive technique that requires speed and accuracy. This technique has been demonstrated in professional MMA competition by Sanda (known as San Shou in the west) expert Kung Le. On another note, contrary to popular western belief, the word “Kung Fu” doesn’t mean martial art, nor is it a type of martial art. Directly translated, kung fu means “great skill.” Therefore, someone can have kung fu in cooking, martial arts, carpentry or even underwater basket weaving. The word Kung Fu has become a blanket term used to describe martial arts.

chief108
18th November 2009, 09:16
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chin_Na


Chin na and the development of jujutsu

Japanese and Chinese documents state that Chen Yuan-Yun (Chin Gempin or Chen Yuan-Pin; 1587-1674) was the first to introduce Chinese ju (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Principle_of_Ju#The_principle_of_ju) techniques (柔道 rou dao) into Japan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japan) during the early to middle 1600's. One such Japanese document is “Collections of Ancestor’s Conversations Volume 2".[citation needed (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Citation_needed)]
“Honcho Bugei Shoden” (also referred to as “Kanjo Shoden”) written by Hinatsu Shigetaka in 1716 states the following:
Recently, Chin Gempin came to Japan and stayed at the Kokusa monastery, where he met three ronin (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ronin): Fukuno Hichiroemon, Isogai Jirozaemon, and Miura Yojiemon. Chin Gempin told them that in China, there is an art of seizing a man. He said that he had seen it practiced and gave a brief example of the art. Chin Gempin also stated that he had not learned all of the principles of the art. Upon hearing this, the samurai further researched this art. Once achieving a degree of skill, the samurai founded the Kito-ryu (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kito-ryu) school of Jujutsu. This story is repeated in various Japanese documents including Honcho Seji Danki, Bujutsu Ryusoroku, Roi Shintoryo Hisho, Kitoryu Kempohi, Kitoryu Toka Mondo, Owan Meisho Zue, and Zoin Kinsei Kijindenas.[citation needed (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Citation_needed)] Rickson Gracie (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rickson_Gracie) also attributes the Chinese with bringing the techniques of Jiu-Jitsu into Japan, as stated on his website, when explaining the origin of Brazilian Jiu Jitsu (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brazilian_Jiu_Jitsu).[citation needed (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Citation_needed)]
Qinna rou dao can also be found in shuai jiao (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shuai_jiao). Judo's development was influenced by Kito-ryu. Similarities between judo and shuai jiao are apparent through the common link with chin na rou dao. The process of both of these arts becoming a sport further influenced similarities within their softer (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Principle_of_Ju#The_principle_of_ju) techniques.
However, grappling systems in Japan do predate the introduction of chin na as demonstrated by such documents as Yukisenjo-Monogatari, Kuyamigusa, and Hitotsubashi-Joken and by the existence of many schools of grappling that predate Chen's visit. One of the oldest jujutsu school still in existence, Takenouchi Ryu, was founded in 1532, well before the birth of Chen Yuan-Yun.[citation needed (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Citation_needed)]

d4nd3l10n
20th November 2009, 04:51
Grappig dat toch eigenlijk alles via de Shaolin Tempel (en indirect via bodidarma) is ontstaan..
Heb van Leung Ting (jaja die van het WingTsun) gehoord dat je eigenlijk twee zalen had destijds binnen Shaolin. Eén zaal waar het staande gevecht zich meer en meer ging ontwikkelen en de andere zaal die zich ging focussen op het grappling gebeuren.

chief108
20th November 2009, 08:01
bodhidharma is een baas...

sikkwittet
20th November 2009, 16:20
waarom heb je dat nodig??? als je gewoon mihoen moet maken??

en allemaal leuk en aardig maar dat verklaard nog steeds niet wrom broodje bakpao zo lekker zijn